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	<title>Comments on: Calling all spinners &#8212; explain how Bush has &#34;made us safer.&#34;</title>
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	<description>Challenging the Law of Gravitas since 1993</description>
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		<title>By: PeaceZGood</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-2469</link>
		<dc:creator>PeaceZGood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBVIOUSLY it has made us safer because people are LAUGHING at G. Bush and while people laugh they can't be angry, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBVIOUSLY it has made us safer because people are LAUGHING at G. Bush and while people laugh they can&#8217;t be angry, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sigh) Agencies' analyses, especially when distillation across agency lines, are  point-in-time descriptions and  projections.  Estimates are used as lessons learned, to reallocate resources (manpower, funds) to influence military and political strategies or to serve as a vehicle for further debate and analysis within the agencies.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Leaking portions, or entire documents, of classified material is a disturbing trend of recent years (enemies are well able to adapt if elements are threatening or expand if other elements are not adressed or are misadressed).  It demonstrates  the politization of elements of the federal bureaucracy or the lack of professional competence of agency leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sigh) Agencies&#8217; analyses, especially when distillation across agency lines, are  point-in-time descriptions and  projections.  Estimates are used as lessons learned, to reallocate resources (manpower, funds) to influence military and political strategies or to serve as a vehicle for further debate and analysis within the agencies.  </p>
<p>Leaking portions, or entire documents, of classified material is a disturbing trend of recent years (enemies are well able to adapt if elements are threatening or expand if other elements are not adressed or are misadressed).  It demonstrates  the politization of elements of the federal bureaucracy or the lack of professional competence of agency leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-636</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Debate," not "debat." Just a typo, for all the nitpickers out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Debate,&#8221; not &#8220;debat.&#8221; Just a typo, for all the nitpickers out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Then a few days later, much if the NIE was declassified and released. We noticed that following the comments regarding the worsening of the terrorist situation because of the Iraq war was another comment stating that if the US prevails it will be disillusioning to the jihadists and will weaken their position. Oops. "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oops &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt;? The "Iraq War has increased the threat of terrorism" part is a "this is what's happened" statement. The "IF we win in Iraq, they'll be demoralized" part is a "maybe, if, possibly" statement. If I were on a debat team, I know on which statement I'd be more comfortable hanging my hat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And besides, as I mentioned in a previous comment, the Bob Woodward book looks like it's going to detail how we're NOT winning in Iraq. Sort of puts the "if, maybe, possibly" statement in a weaker light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then a few days later, much if the NIE was declassified and released. We noticed that following the comments regarding the worsening of the terrorist situation because of the Iraq war was another comment stating that if the US prevails it will be disillusioning to the jihadists and will weaken their position. Oops. &#8220;</p>
<p>Oops <i>what</i>? The &#8220;Iraq War has increased the threat of terrorism&#8221; part is a &#8220;this is what&#8217;s happened&#8221; statement. The &#8220;IF we win in Iraq, they&#8217;ll be demoralized&#8221; part is a &#8220;maybe, if, possibly&#8221; statement. If I were on a debat team, I know on which statement I&#8217;d be more comfortable hanging my hat.</p>
<p>And besides, as I mentioned in a previous comment, the Bob Woodward book looks like it&#8217;s going to detail how we&#8217;re NOT winning in Iraq. Sort of puts the &#8220;if, maybe, possibly&#8221; statement in a weaker light.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-631</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I'll take a stab at this (not the Iraq-US safer question, but the way in which this and the Clinton interview stories were initially reported and how they developed).  Been thinking about it over the past couple of days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bit of irony here, don't you think?  First the topic of Clinton Unloads of Faux News - asserting he's been misrepresented and giving several concrete examples illustrating why.  But the main part of the post was how misleading clips (teasers) or headlines misrepresented what really happened on the interview.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Skip to the next post, "Calling All Spinners" regarding leaking of portions of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) followed by the request for past diehard administration supporters who've flamed Mr. Bell in the past to engage the topic.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then a few days later, much if the NIE was declassified and released.  We noticed that following the comments regarding the worsening of the terrorist situation because of the Iraq war was another comment stating that if the US prevails it will be disillusioning to the jihadists and will weaken their position.  Oops.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before your minds jump ahead with the "yes, but" rebuttals - there have been several thoughtful commentaries in the past few days - NPR's Dianne Rehm show among them - stating that both sides engaged in pick and choose to support their position, and the panelists  did a pretty succinct job of describing how the NIE is built and how it should be interpreted.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Switch to Pres Clinton's specifics.  A few days go by.  9-11 commission report's examined.  Hmmm.  Problems with a few of the charges.  "Comprehensive Plan" to combat jihadists, or at the very least, bin Laden.  "Firing" of Mr. Clarke.  But in fairness, I can see how Pres Clinton may have viewed some documents as a "comp plan" or how Mr. Clarke was "fired/demoted."  It's just his point of view.  But there are some pretty compelling opposing interpretations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, back to the irony.  Faux headlines regarding Pres Clinton's Fox interview.  Teaser clips.  Next, excerpts of the NIE, turns out they're also misleading (teaser clips) in the context in which they're initially used -to make a political point.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so it continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll take a stab at this (not the Iraq-US safer question, but the way in which this and the Clinton interview stories were initially reported and how they developed).  Been thinking about it over the past couple of days.</p>
<p>Bit of irony here, don&#8217;t you think?  First the topic of Clinton Unloads of Faux News - asserting he&#8217;s been misrepresented and giving several concrete examples illustrating why.  But the main part of the post was how misleading clips (teasers) or headlines misrepresented what really happened on the interview.  </p>
<p>Skip to the next post, &#8220;Calling All Spinners&#8221; regarding leaking of portions of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) followed by the request for past diehard administration supporters who&#8217;ve flamed Mr. Bell in the past to engage the topic.  </p>
<p>Then a few days later, much if the NIE was declassified and released.  We noticed that following the comments regarding the worsening of the terrorist situation because of the Iraq war was another comment stating that if the US prevails it will be disillusioning to the jihadists and will weaken their position.  Oops.  </p>
<p>Before your minds jump ahead with the &#8220;yes, but&#8221; rebuttals - there have been several thoughtful commentaries in the past few days - NPR&#8217;s Dianne Rehm show among them - stating that both sides engaged in pick and choose to support their position, and the panelists  did a pretty succinct job of describing how the NIE is built and how it should be interpreted.  </p>
<p>Switch to Pres Clinton&#8217;s specifics.  A few days go by.  9-11 commission report&#8217;s examined.  Hmmm.  Problems with a few of the charges.  &#8220;Comprehensive Plan&#8221; to combat jihadists, or at the very least, bin Laden.  &#8220;Firing&#8221; of Mr. Clarke.  But in fairness, I can see how Pres Clinton may have viewed some documents as a &#8220;comp plan&#8221; or how Mr. Clarke was &#8220;fired/demoted.&#8221;  It&#8217;s just his point of view.  But there are some pretty compelling opposing interpretations.</p>
<p>So, back to the irony.  Faux headlines regarding Pres Clinton&#8217;s Fox interview.  Teaser clips.  Next, excerpts of the NIE, turns out they&#8217;re also misleading (teaser clips) in the context in which they&#8217;re initially used -to make a political point.  </p>
<p>And so it continues.</p>
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		<title>By: tiffany</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously it hasn't made us safer. Bob Woodward's book seems like it's going to add to this, saying that it's not even making IRAQ safer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess all those goons who would say "You think the world would be safer with Saddam in power in Iraq" now have their answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously it hasn&#8217;t made us safer. Bob Woodward&#8217;s book seems like it&#8217;s going to add to this, saying that it&#8217;s not even making IRAQ safer.</p>
<p>I guess all those goons who would say &#8220;You think the world would be safer with Saddam in power in Iraq&#8221; now have their answer.</p>
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		<title>By: elliott J.</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think there's any spinning this. Condi tried today, but even the parts Bush chose to release today are pretty damning toward the Iraq War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any spinning this. Condi tried today, but even the parts Bush chose to release today are pretty damning toward the Iraq War.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrin Bell</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrin Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has been one of the most-visited posts ever in this short a time, yet there are almost no comments. Is ANYONE going to explain how our misadventure in Iraq has made us safer in light of this report? Come on, at least &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has been one of the most-visited posts ever in this short a time, yet there are almost no comments. Is ANYONE going to explain how our misadventure in Iraq has made us safer in light of this report? Come on, at least <i>try</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Zirconia Wolf</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Zirconia Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(crickets chirping)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't help but notice the utter lack of Bush-Lovers jumping to the defence of their perfect leader.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(crickets still chirping)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-ZW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>(crickets chirping)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but notice the utter lack of Bush-Lovers jumping to the defence of their perfect leader.</p>
<p>(crickets still chirping)</p>
<p>-ZW</p>
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		<title>By: frightwinger</title>
		<link>http://candorville.com/2006/09/25/calling-all-spinners-explain-how-bush-has-made-us-safer/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>frightwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everybody knows that the CIA is run by America hating hippies, so there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everybody knows that the CIA is run by America hating hippies, so there.</p>
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